What is The shaking in the Church?
What is the shaking? It is a term used in the Old Testament for cleaning the husk from the kernels. The method used is when a farmer throws the husk up in the air and the husk become separated from the wheat kernels. The kernels are milled and thereafter used to make bread. The term is transferred to the Christian usage of separating the true Christians in the Church from the false Christians or those who are not dedicated to the message.
The text used very often for this expression is taken from 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. Now brethren concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first – – -.
The text about the shaking comes from 2 Thessalonians 2,3.4.8.9.
We are in the process of some kind of shaking in the Seventh-day Adventist church, but is it this shaking that the Bible talks about? The text about the shaking comes from 2 Thessalonians 2,3.4.8.9. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2: 8.9. Then the lawless one will be revealed; whom the Lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the of the lawless one is according to the work of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders.
The text begins with the apostasy, i.e., the shaking, and then with the man of sin or lawlessness will be revealed.
Let’s look at the word apostasy. It is άποστασία apostasia in the Greek and apostacy or rebellion in English. It means someone who goes against the faith of the teachings in the Bible and fall away.
The next word on our text is the man of sin or lawlessness is revealed.
Who is the man of sin or lawlessness?
It is the one who goes against the law of God, which is the Ten Commandments.
Who is the lawless one? According to the Bible and the history of Christianity, there is only one group of people who went against the Ten Commandments, and that is the papacy. Let’s look at Daniel 7:24.25. The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from his kingdom. And another shall rise after them; he shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings. He will speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time.
Who are the ten horns?
The ten horns in symbolic language mean that they are ten kings or the ten tribes that started Europe. After them, another one must appear that is different from the previous ones. How is it different from the others? It is so that the papal power is not only a political power like the other ten tribes of Europe, but it is also a religious power. It says that the religious power must speak against the Supreme God. How? The papacy claims to be God’s representative here on earth, i.e., he speaks on God’s behalf here on earth. How did the papacy get the authority to be God’s vice regent here on earth? Through some false papers from the disciples.
Change times and law.
It says in the text that he is striving to change times and law. What kind of law? Because the papacy is God’s vice regent here on this earth, he thinks he has the power to change the Ten Commandments which is God`s law, especially the fourth commandment, which is the Sabbath commandment from Saturday to Sunday. When the text says that he changes times, it means that he changes the days like the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, 24 hours, which is time. And law means God’s law, which is the Ten Commandments. The papacy admits it that it has changed the fourth commandment the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. For example:
What power changed times and law throughout the Middle Ages? The Catholic Church answers.
Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
The Convert`s Catechism of the Catholic Doctrine. 1957 ed. p. 50.
Even more, the text in Daniel 7:25 says that then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. This is prophetic time we are talking about here. One time means one year, two times means two years, and half time means six months. One time, two times and half time is equal to 1,260 days or prophetic years, which extends from AD 538 to 1798.
According to Ezekiel 4:6, one day means a year in prophecy. 1,260 days means 1,260 years in prophecy. The papacy ruled 1,260 years through the Middle Ages from AD 538-1798.
The Bible is correct from the prophetic reckoning with the papacy being the little and another horn in Daniel 7:24, 25. The papacy admits that it has changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. That is why the Bible says that he is the man of lawlessness or sin.
OK! Now we have determined who the man of sin or lawlessness is, we can find out when he shall reveal himself.
2 Thessalonians 2:3.4.8.9. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God. Showing himself that he is God.
The word revealed means that the man of sin or lawlessness is to be revealed in the same manner as Jesus Christ is to be revealed at the second coming of Jesus. 2 Thessalonians 1:7. And to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels.
How is the man of sin or lawlessness to be revealed?
He has changed God’s law regarding to the holy Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday. But here in the text at the time of the end, he is to be revealed by forcing people all over the world to keep Sunday as a holy day instead of Saturday. How? How?
We have had a worldwide climate conference in Dubai in November 2023. This is where King Frederik of Denmark had attended, and King Charles of England had attended. In fact, every country in the world had sent a representative to the climate change meeting in Dubai. It is possible that you are not interested in such meetings, but you must be interested, because there is going to be a prophecy fulfilled at those meetings at some point of time.
How does climate change effect Bible prophecy?
It says in the book The Great Controversy by E. G. White, pages 589, 590. “While (Satan) appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until the populous cities are reduced to ruin and desolation. Even now he is at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power.
He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence. These visitations are to become more and more frequent and disastrous. Destruction will be upon both man and beast. `The earth mourneth and fadeth away, ` `the haughty people . . . do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. ` Isaiah 24:4,5.
Who will be accused of the cause of climate change?
And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that has provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God`s commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced.”
What is Ellen G. White referring to in this quotation in the book The Great Controversy? Climate change. And the cause of climate change is those who do not keep Sunday as a holy day. Who are they? Seventh-day Adventists.
How can people all over the world be forced to observe Sunday as a holy day?
It is the papacy that is behind this law.
Now you have to listen carefully. The Pope occasionally comes out on the world’s media with an Encyclical, i.e., a speech about his contemporary view of the world. Last year he came out with a talk about climate change and how he can find a solution to this problem in Laudate Deum #35.
The Pope’s Encyclical Laudate Deum #35. October 4. 2023.
35. It is not useful to confuse multilateralism with a world authority concentrated in one person or in an elite with excessive power: “When we talk about the possibility of some kind of world authority regulated by law, we don’t necessarily have to think about a personal authority.” Above all, we speak of “more effective world organizations, equipped with the power to provide for the global common good, eradication of hunger and poverty and the secure defense of fundamental human rights”. The problem is that they must be endowed with real authority in such a way as to “ensure” the achievement of certain essential objectives. In this way, multilateralism could emerge, that is not dependent on changing political conditions or a few interests, and which have a stable effectiveness.
He writes that there must be made a decision from the leaders of the climate meeting, that is they should choose a World Authority, an independent world government that will make regular laws against the countries that oppose to making changes in order to alter the world’s climate change.
Countries who refuse to stop using fossil fuels
These are the countries that will not stop using fossilizing fuel energy such as coal and oil, i.e., countries such as the United States, China and Russia. This World Authority or an independent world government from the climate meeting should have the power to punish these countries. Moreover, this World Authority or an independent world government which the pope presides over, should have the power to punish those who do not keep Sunday as a holy day. That is when we go by the prophetic writings from the Bible. The new pope Leo XIV also support his predecessor on the climate change policies. We don’t know if it will happen as I have just explained. But one can imagine that it could happen like this.
The Spirit of Prophecy through Ellen G. White writes in M.S. 135, 1902.
The man of sin, who thought of changing times and laws, and who has always oppressed God’s people, will see to it that laws are made to enforce the observance of the first day of the week (Sunday). But God’s people will stand firm before him. And the Lord will work on their behalf and clearly show that He is the God of the gods.
Let us stand firm in what is written in the Bible and in the spirit of prophecy.
Conclusion
In conclusion I will say that many of these indications and signs from the spirit of prophecy tell us that we are not in the shaking at the present time because of the straight testimony to the Laodicean message. Many are leaving the Adventist church due to other problems for example Dr. D.J.B. Trim gave a statistical report with figures to the General Conference Executive Committee meeting on October 13, 2024.
A total of 1.465 million new members were added to the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 2023. This information was given to members of the General Conference (GC) Executive Committee by the director of the Office of Archives, Statistics, and Research, Dr. David Trim, when he presented the Annual Statistical Report on October 13, 2024.
David Trim and accessions to the Adventist church
Trim pointed out, “2023 saw the highest number of net accessions of any year in church history, exceeding the 1.383 million added in 2018.” The number of accessions is now back on the same level as it was prior to the challenging years (2020 and 2021) during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Although church members may rejoice over a large number of new members added to the fellowship, church growth is a function of both accessions and losses. In 2023, 836,905 persons who were alive and well, decided to leave the Seventh-day Adventist Church. That was the third highest year for net losses, with the peak in 2019 when the statistics show 1,107,514 persons leaving our fellowship.
The above article was copied from Adventist.news/seventh-day-adevntist-church-reports-record-growth-in-2023
Causes of people leaving the church
Conrad Vine
This shaking and members leaving the church may be due to many factors: for example everyone who has access to the internet has been following Conrad Vine from Frontier Missions. He has been trying to help all the Adventist employees who were told by the General Conference leaders to have the corona vaccine or be fired, and have had side effects and in some cases so handicapped that they are unable to work.
Ron Kelly
Then there is the case of Ron Kelly the senior pastor from Village church Berrien Springs, Michigan, USA. He was fired from his ministerial work for not obeying the Michigan conference in disfellowshipping Conrad Vine from the Village church membership.
ADCOM
Even more, it seems like ADCOM in the General Conference have taken over the leadership and are supporting our hospitals all over the world which are subsidized through many local government funding. When this is the case then you have to obey the governments ruling on health care and vaccinations like corona for their employees.
Some years have passed since the corona crisis and now facts have revealed that Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci the health minister in the USA at that time came together and made a fortune out of selling vaccines all over the world to prevent this flu virus. A vaccine that does not work. And every hospital and medical doctor has been deceived through this ingenious plan for making millions of dollars for these two crooks. All these facts have been revealed by Robert F. Kennedy in his book: “The Real Anthony Fauci”.
Now when you see the leadership in the Adventist church mishandling these cases and following the world, you say to yourself, “no wonder there are thousands leaving the Adventist church.”
Robert F.Kennedy and exemptions for all Covic-19 vaccines
On the website by www.fulcrum7.com under the title Big News on Covid Vaccines and Mandates from the Federal Government is this article: Washington, D.C. – August 29, 2025 – In a seismic shift that’s sent shockwaves through the medical establishment, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), under the leadership of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has pulled the plug on Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) for COVID-19 vaccines and issued a bold directive: states must honor religious exemptions for all vaccine mandates or risk losing federal funding. This double-barreled move, announced in the last week, is a direct challenge to Big Pharma’s grip on public health and a rallying cry for individual freedom of conscience.
This move by Kennedy tells me that God has everything under control even when ADCOM at the General Conference session 2025 refuses discussion from the floor about Covid-19 vaccine from the delegates. If ADCOM refuses discussion through the control of the chairman at the General Conference session then God takes another route and penalizes any organization who refuses Covid-19 vaccinations that they will be penalized and federal funding will be taken away from them.
I would say another cause for the shaking mentioned by Ted Wilson is the book written by David Dennis who used to be the leader for the auditing service in the General Conference in 1976.
Fatal Accounts by David Denis.
Published by Adventist Today, Riverside, California. 2009.
How can I describe this book? There is a resume on the back cover which describes the book and its author of which I will enclose in this article.
“Adventist Today is honoured to publish Fatal Accounts, the first-ever analysis of the momentous rise and crashing fall of the church`s brilliantly controversial auditor, David Dennis.
A man of prodigious talent, Dennis could preach masterfully in three languages and was one of the first denominational treasurers to hold both a Master of Business Administration degree and a certificate in public accounting (CPA). An ordained minister in a profession where `being seen but not heard` was the norm, Dennis possessed the verbal charisma and youthful determination to help raise the church`s financial accountability to the highest levels.
He was called to lead the General Conference Auditing Service in 1976 (when he was only 37 years old) by the ailing Robert H Pierson. Pierson believed that the credibility of the General Conference hinged to a large degree on the reputation and performance of its Auditing Service-and Dennis agreed. Pierson resigned shortly thereafter for health reasons and was succeeded by Neal Wilson, whom Dennis outlasted at the General Conference, despite episodes of turbulent disagreement.
When Dennis publicly and persuasively accused Wilson of manipulating the General Conference Committee in Wilson`s controversial effort to cut the linkage between compensation of health-care and conference administrators, Dennis became a marked man politically, and two years later the General Conference in Session seemed poised to deny him re-election. But an outcry of influential voices rose to defend Dennis, and he was belatedly reinstalled.
Wilson and Folkenberg manipulating church funds
Wilson`s successor, well-known `creative financier` Robert S. Folkenberg, however, seemed determined to mute Dennis`s increasingly inconvenient voice. When Dennis uncovered a hush-hush plan to funnel denominational funds to Folkenberg`s wife and another high church official`s spouse, Dennis refused to paper things over. The feud with Folkenberg was now personal.
The story of how General Conference administration manipulated the `recovered memories` of a vulnerable young woman to leverage Dennis from office is told here, as is the fatal account of the denomination`s multi-million-dollar legal crusade to make sure Dennis`s case was never heard in a court of law.”
It seems like the General Conference leaders have a problem, and that problem cannot be resolved by the organisational set up as we have it to day. The leaders in the General Conference seem to be seperated from the needs of the members of the Seventh-Day Adventist church. When a normal Seventh-Day Adventist member has a problem with the General Conference leadership, there is no way we can implement the text from Matthew 18:15-17.
Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. etc. This text does not work with the above grievances. Therefore, I suggest we use the method the world uses when there is a problem between an employer and an employee with the union. They use an ombudsman or a liaison officer: a middleman to iron out their differences. The ombudsman in this case in the Adventist church could be a nine member committee of missionaries, evangelists and colporteurs, who are not related to any of the leaders in the General Conference. Then their findings should be delivered to the General Conference in session.
In addition no tithe payers money like $6 million in the David Dennis case should be used by the leaders to employ lawyers to win their case in court. This is absolutely wrong and is another reason why members are leaving the church.
This shaking is not the shaking which the Bible and Ellen G, White writes about.
We have to wait for the straight testimony and many other signs from the spirit of prophecy to be fulfilled which I have outlined from Ellen G. White before we can say this is the Biblical shaking from 2 Thessalonians 2:3.4.8.9.
(1) Ellen G. White, Early Writings (Washington D.C.: Review & Herald Pub., 1945), 270
[2] Ellen G. White, Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers (Mountain View, California: Pacific Press Pub., 1962), 475.
[3] Ibid, 112.
[4] Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church Vol. 8 (Mountain View, California: Pacific Press Pub., 1948), 293.
[5] Ellen G. White, Confrontation (Grantham: The Stanborough Press, 1978), 608.
[6] Ibid, 612.
[7] White, Testimonies to the Church Vol. 8, 41
[8] White, Early Writings, 271.
[9] Ibid, 271.
[10] Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Vol. 2 (Washington D.C.: Review & Herald Pub., 1958, 368.
[11] Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church Vol. 6 (Mountain View, California: Pacific Press Pub., Assoc., 1948), 332.
[12] Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church Vol. 5 (Mountain View, California: Pacific Press Pub., Assoc., 1948),80.81.
[13] White, Testimonies to the Church Vol. 6, 400.401.
[14] Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Vol. 2, 380.
[15] Ellen G. White, Confrontation, 444.
[15] White, Early Writings, 270.
[16] Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church Vol. 4 (Mountain View, California: Pacific Press Pub., Assoc., 1948),87.88.
[17] Ellen G. White, Testimony Treasures Vol. 2 (Mountain View, California: Pacific Press Pub., 1949), 164.
[18] Ellen G. White, Confrontation, 608.
[19] Ellen G. White, Christian Service (Washington D.C. General Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists, 1947), 228.
(20) Ellen G. White, 2 Spiritual Gifts (Washington D.C.: Review & Herald, 1945), 284.
(21) Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Vol. 3 (Washington D.C.: Review & Herald Pub., Assoc., 1980), 84.
(22) Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, 464.
(23) Ellen G. White, Early Writings, 271.
(24) Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, 606.
(25) Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, 612.
(26) Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church. Vol 6, 400. 401.
(27) Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, 608.